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Post by MajiKat on Dec 22, 2005 2:10:19 GMT 11
i think SO means that we have misunderstood that true fear in God=awe of God. Am i right? but i still think my questions are valid, SO, (i know you didn't say they weren't) but again you have skirted around them and not answered them. I happen to know the history of the Church and how it all came about. What i wanted to know is what you think and how you feel about the concept of a God to be feared. how does this impact on you - i don't need to know about misinterpretations of the english language  and please do not quote the Bible to me. i know you haven't in relation to the fear of God stuff, but you still don't really give me any of yourself either. but in general, in your responses, I understand that the Bible is an important part of your religion, but i want your responses in your own words. i have heaps of literature on witchcraft, and not once have i quoted it to you. i have tried constantly to put what i feel and what i believe into my own words. i know that it can be hard to find the right words to express how you feel about your faith, but please try. I'm having this conversation with you in order to share something and to talk about how we feel, however far apart our beliefs may be. i don't mean to sound like a cow, but this has been going on for ages, and i really would rather your personal responses than Biblical quotes or an academic theological perspective. and i've had a rather long day and i'm tired and cranky  |
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Post by Gahltha~ on Dec 22, 2005 2:34:11 GMT 11
haha aren't we all....
This is one aspect i mean of alot of people just following along 'semi' blindly i guess. So many people just read things such as the Bible and spit out quotes about this and that and have no real understanding about it. Things like that annoy me. I'm not saying that you do this Darth, i'm just saying thousands of people do. Bah! I'm tired, i'm going to bed!
Gahltha ~ Watcher of Days
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Post by MajiKat on Dec 22, 2005 2:43:22 GMT 11
good to see i'm not the only insane person up this late!
yeah, i understand where you are coming from Gahltha - i had a friend once who was a christian but it was enforced upon her (parents) and i do not think she truly believed it. she would pull quotes and lessons from the bible on occasions when it seemed to suit her. this drove me quite mad. i was at the time taking my own journey through christianity and the bible and she kind of ruined it for me in a way - she represented this blind faith with no real understanding. i mean, i spent years (10 actually) reading and thinking about witchcraft before i decided that yes, this was for me. i never told anyone about what i felt or thought about it until i knew for sure myself - until i could answer my own quesitons about my faith. and now i am comfortable enough to fully experience witchcraft and share those experiences with others.
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Post by Gahltha~ on Dec 22, 2005 14:51:10 GMT 11
haha, well to be a member here you must be insane! I'm glad someone sees my views and not bable crazy talk. I have a high respect for those who actually do understand and embrace their faith not so 'blindly', like yourself. But the rest of them kind of ruin it for everyone else i think, perhaps even bring a bad name to the faith Gahltha ~ Watcher of Days  (7) |
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Post by Stephen on Dec 27, 2005 15:28:39 GMT 11
Just thought I'd join in on the fear topic. The fear (I don't know if this has been pointed out yet) wasn't designed to be a fear as in 'run away from God' type thing, but mear a fear as in respect, so we dont fall out of line or feel like we should have his place. I'm not really explaining this very well. Its one of those things you have to feel to know what it's about. Seeing as you don't like scripture quotes, I won't give any. But to me, it's sort of like, if you dont feel a fear/respect for God, then for most people, they would have no reason to obey what he tells. Like our governments, they tell us to stick within these rules, and some do it because they can see it's good for them, but most do it because of a fearful respect of the fact that there will be consequences (jail, fine, etc..) although they're not done just because they can be (not a power hungry maniac type ruling). It's not like 'I'll chuck you in jail cause i enjoy the power', its more of 'You must go to jail because that is the consequence of what you have done'. Hope that makes a little bit of sense.
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Post by shadowoutcast on Dec 28, 2005 8:54:33 GMT 11
Oh this is going in two parts. What i wanted to know is what you think and how you feel about the concept of a God to be feared. how does this impact on you I've expressed what I think and how I've fell but the concept you describe. It's something like to what Stephen had there Fear being Respect. eg If you had a father who from your eyes had great power, yet used that power to show you love and kindness and discipline with nothing but a word, you'ld you fear to run or fear to repect? This is the image I would us to try and make understand of fear of God. and please do not quote the Bible to me. i know you haven't in relation to the fear of God stuff, but you still don't really give me any of yourself either. but in general, in your responses, I understand that the Bible is an important part of your religion, but i want your responses in your own words. i have heaps of literature on witchcraft, and not once have i quoted it to you. i have tried constantly to put what i feel and what i believe into my own words. i know that it can be hard to find the right words to express how you feel about your faith, but please try. I'm having this conversation with you in order to share something and to talk about how we feel, however far apart our beliefs may be. The Bible as you said is apart of my religion, but haven't I said I don't like religion and its silly 'must do's' to try and please God (Jeues said that God is sick and tried of that - NOOMA: Sunday) I read the Bible so that I may understand God, his son and the holy spirit, so if I have to discribe what I have understood from his Word from my point of view it is helpful to give a source of information to help others understand the reasoning to come to that conclusion of thinking. My Faith is hard to discribe because it is build on the experiences of unexplainable momments of great joy and deep loss, and even to explain this in my own words to Christian friends who have experienced the same is the most hardest thing imaginable. And now think of trying to explain that to someone who has not experienced what I've experienced when I can't even find to words in the depths of my vocab to explain to people who understand. The best way to put it is the I have become to trust what my God and my saviour have planed for me and faith that it is to better my life and show me his glory...something like what Jeremiah 29:11 says. Hope this has givin you the answer you where looking for if not I don't how else to answer |
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Post by MajiKat on Dec 30, 2005 21:15:53 GMT 11
Thanks SO. That makes more sense to me now - hearing it in your own words. And Stephen - your explaination was great. i think i understand what the fear of god means now  . i too have a huge amount of respect for my goddess and god, although i would not factor any type of fear into the equation, because there are no rules in witchcraft, save one - that whatever you do, it will come back to you times three. so then it is up to the individual to decide what to do with their life and their energy. |
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Post by Stephen on Dec 30, 2005 21:32:10 GMT 11
Good to hear you understand now! that means im not confusing.
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Post by MajiKat on Dec 30, 2005 21:48:39 GMT 11
nah, not so confused any more!
are you a christian? i dunno if you have said so earlier or not -cannot remember. anyway, if so, why? what made you choose that particular path? you do not have to answer if you do not want to, i'm just interested in what it is that drives people towards a particular faith and system of belief.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 31, 2005 13:59:08 GMT 11
Yeah I am, have been for about 10 years now. When I was about 5, my parents talked to me about their faith and what they believed in, and encouraged me to consider commiting myself to the faith. So later that day I commited myself. For about 8 years I considered myself Christian, and was, but I was never really commited. Earlier this year, I started being more involved about my faith, and going to a youth group/bible study, etc... This really started to open my eyes and make me feel like wanting to be more involved, just being inspired by my youth leaders, how much they know and how they are only about 5 years older than me. So yeah, I basically just felt moved to be more commited now that I'm a little older and know a bit more about what it really is to have faith in something. So yeah, that's how I came to be one. Does that make sense? Hope so.
-Stephen
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Post by grunty on Dec 31, 2005 14:07:05 GMT 11
I have this freind who made up his religion, something about monkeys and the lord of destruction kinda creeps me out. here i found it. o yea, and squirrles too
Never asked you too. But It is a book with a number of stories. There are three gods. Monkeys, Squirrels, And the Heathen God of the Apocalypse. The HGA deals in form, so to speak. The monkey deals in life and details. The Squirrel deals in color and beauty. They made the universe and world and care for all it's inhabitants. When a soul leaves it's chosen body it appears in a place with three portals. If a soul appears there it means he wronged in life. The minor things all you have to do is apologize for them to the gods. For mediocre things you have to apologize and beg for forgiveness. For Serious things you have to Apologize beg for forgiveness and go back to try again in life. For the most horrid and evil crimes which tarnish your soul forever you have no choice but enter a place I would rather not speak of. But the three portals are for those who do not do the things to recognize the gods that they are honestly sorry. If they don't they choose a portal. Fire, lightning, or water. The three planes of Apocalypse. There are two more. One is the place which I would rather not speak of. The other is for those who are honestly sorry. It is a place of such beauty that it cannot be described in words. It goes beyond our level of thought. If a person were to go to the three planes of apocalypse they would spend ten thousand years there. When these are up they go back to Earth for another try. Those who go on to the bad place stay there forever... Same with those who go onto the Beautiful place. There is no name for the book. There is no name for the beautiful place. Fire Water and Lightning are the names of the three planes. The bad place... Is too horrible to name.
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Post by MajiKat on Jan 2, 2006 18:45:57 GMT 11
wow Grunty, thats, umm, interesting! but kinda cool, in that your friend went to the trouble to really think about it, in the sense that he/she created a whole myth and structure of belief around the religion. do they still believe that in it? do others?
and stephen, thanks for your response. it interests me how different people come to their faith. i like what you said about needing to feel more committed to something, to your belief. things got to that point for me too - i had thought alot and read alot, but several years ago it came down to the need to fully committ myself. but i needed all that other time in thought and philosophy before i was able to put any of it into practice in my life.
and now i am happy - i have made the right choice for me, and being able to acknowledge, to myself more than anyone else, what i believe in, has had a positive impact on my life.
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Post by grunty on Jan 2, 2006 19:02:45 GMT 11
Its just him as far as i know, thought i haven't heard from him in quite a while. started a clan, him, me, and 3 other freinds, it disbanded a little while after. it wasn't because of different religions.
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Post by MajiKat on Jan 2, 2006 19:27:53 GMT 11
so what do you mean by a clan? were you into his faith? what do you believe now? you don't have to answer - i'm just interested
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Post by Stephen on Jan 2, 2006 19:32:19 GMT 11
hey, no worries |
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Post by grunty on Jan 2, 2006 19:39:04 GMT 11
No.. not that at all. a Halo: Combat evolved PC clan. I'm, a christian, but im having a bit of language problems, im working on sorting out
son of a batch of cookies, its surprisingly fun and just plain silly to say. Though the jocks and preps at school dont seem to take well to (monty python style) sillyness.
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Post by Min on Jan 2, 2006 23:03:11 GMT 11
Now - Monty Python. That's a religion I could get into |
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Post by MajiKat on Jan 5, 2006 16:25:08 GMT 11
we are the knights who go Ni, Ni!!
Love it!
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Post by Vespertine on Jan 9, 2006 12:44:23 GMT 11
I'd say buddhist/spiritualist.
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Post by Natally on Jan 12, 2006 9:23:01 GMT 11
A Christian am I!
I was born in a christian family, so naturally I went to church with my parents and I really enjoyed it because our church is fun and upbeat. I always believed in Jesus and did the christian thing but I really started getting into it about a year or so ago.
Why am I a christian? I love God! Woohoo! ;D
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Post by shadowoutcast on Jan 12, 2006 15:47:13 GMT 11
He he I kinda figured that from your avatar Natally. VEGGIETAILS ROCKS  |
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Post by Natally on Jan 12, 2006 16:20:09 GMT 11
You got it! It's good to know someone who loves them too  [For those not in the know, my love of my life, my cucumber, my Larry is from VeggieTales which is a little kids show that's Christian.] |
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Post by shadowoutcast on Jan 12, 2006 18:23:34 GMT 11
Veggietails is created and produced by Big Idea Production Inc. A christain moral focused family entertainment company that is famous the world over due to there series of morally guilding children video. Although they happen to be made for the creators friends and familys kids there 'cute' and funny appearence can appeal to most people who have ever seen them... for example I'm 19 and love the application of Veggietails |
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Post by grunty on Jan 13, 2006 10:21:32 GMT 11
WE ARE THE PIRATES!! WHOD ONT DO ANYTHING!!!! WOOTNESS!!!
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Post by saira on Jan 14, 2006 3:30:12 GMT 11
I have beliefs. But none that fit into a religeon or cult or anything, so you know. I believe but i have no religeon. |
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. i too have a huge amount of respect for my goddess and god, although i would not factor any type of fear into the equation, because there are no rules in witchcraft, save one - that whatever you do, it will come back to you times three. so then it is up to the individual to decide what to do with their life and their energy. 
