dames vs rushton

[Fuil Dearg]

siryn said:

That would be interesting if he is the Destroyer but i dont think Elf could ever KILL him, no way i wont believe it!

if she was faced with the a dilemna where she thought she needed tokill him for some reason i think she would remember him protecting her from the madam vega and the zebkhrahn (sp?) machine and also him protecting her on the first night they met and i think this would make it very difficult for her to kill him because she would feel that she owed him in a way relevant to life and death. obviously she'd find it very difficult besides that.

[Lauren Hedgehog]

I think that if the right situation arose that she would kill Rushton. It would probably destroy her, but almost her whole life has been spent preparing for her quest. I think that she would do what was needed, reguardless of the personal cost.

[scruffy]

Elspeth's already said a few times that she would follow 'the black road" whereever it might lead her - whatever the consequences. In fact, in TKP, part of her inner turmoil is the knowledge that if Ariel had kidnapped Rushton, and offered his life for her knowledge, she'd let Rushton die (or be killed) before giving up her quest. The consequences of not succeeding are too great.

That's part of the dynamic between Elspeth and Rushton - there can never be a "for better, for worse, in sickness and in health, 'til death do us part" thing between them, because there will always be something that Elspeth values over and above all else. So, if it came right down to it, she'd do whatever she needed to, in order to destroy the weaponmachines, even killing Rushton (or Dameon).

[Dameon]

I agree. And I think everything's been building up to a massive sacrifice on Elspeth's part. So, that suggests to me that she'll have to kill someone very close to her. Like... Rushton!

[scruffy]

I agree Kayt - there has been an overwhelming build up to sacrifice, and someone is going to have to die as a result. 'Course, you're just hoping that by killing Rushton she'll turn to Dameon for comfort and support

[Kaylan-R]

lol NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! She'll kill Ariel if she'll have to.

[Dameon]

Elspeth killing Ariel isn't a big enough emotional wrench. She wouldn't hesitate and it won't be a sacrifice for her.

And yes, if she kills Rushton and turns to Dameon for comfort, that's all to the good.

[Min]

ksl said:

Elspeth killing Ariel isn't a big enough emotional wrench. She wouldn't hesitate and it won't be a sacrifice for her.

And yes, if she kills Rushton and turns to Dameon for comfort, that's all to the good.

I'll drink to that!

[Kaylan-R]

no no no no no!!!! lol

Wouldnt you feel stressed afetr killing your arch-enemy?

[Fuil Dearg]

lol, kaylan thats funny.

even if she killed ariel it would probably be a sacrifice though. remember the black streak in her aura from killing madam vega. still, maybe it would be only a very small black streak for ariel. lol.

i think of all those she knows maruman is the one who she would be most reluctent to kill. i dont think she would unless he insisted and it was a VERY VERY exceptional situation.

and i think it'd destroy her to kill him. i think she'd go on if she had to kill rushton but i think killing maruman would destroy and wreck her and she wouldnt recover.

[Calina]

It's upsetting me reading about all of these as theories!!! Although I do agree that something massive is going to happen...If what you guy's have been saying is even close to what's going to happen in the book I'm going to be an emotional wreck!

Get the tissues ready!

[me]

I don't want her to kill anyone...well, Ariel i wouldn't mind and yeah, Herders and stuff I don't care about but she can't kill Rushton! Or Maruman! Or Dameon! Or Matthew! Or anyone else cool!
Maybe Swallow...emotional enough for her to be sad, but I would only shed one tear over Swallow whereas Rushton...

[Kaylan-R]

I just think it has to be somebody close

[Kella]

Well where would all the drama be if someone died and she'd never even met them before?

[me]

Yeah, that's why I think it should be Swallow! Or Daffyd. Or Gilaine. Or someone that she knows and likes but could kill to save the world without me crying...

[Kella]

Awww but Swallow... Do you remember how they met? That was really memorable. And they need him. But I guess IC has to get rid of one the main characters... Please not Rushton!
Rushton PLZ don't die!

[me]

Here are come ground rules that I think we can all agree on even though they will actually have no effect on the actual outcome (not yet, me, but some day you will control the ending as you will control the world! Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha):
1. Rushton CANNOT and I repeat, CANNOT(!) die. At all.
2. Dameon CANNOT die.
3. Matthew shall return to Obernewtyn and NOT die.
4. Maruman can only die on the dreamtrails while helping Elspeth in the quest (wow, that was random, I hadn't even thought that and it was like my fingers just thought for themselves. If that turns out to happen I am going to call my fingers psychic!)
5. No one who is cool can die...or else....

Feel free to contradict me anyone! Although I can't see why you would want to...

[Kella]

I have to say that I agree with your first two points but like I said before where would all the drama be if everyone that was cool was still alive by the end of the book?

[Kaylan-R]

That's what i think. To me, it's up to Elspeth and Ariel. If Elspeth wins, The Free Running Barud will be established, there will be no more wepponmashines and no more conflict with the Herders and the Misfits.
However, if Ariel wins, there will be another Great White (possibly), no Free Running Barud, the herders will be in control and the Misfits will probabaly be slavers.

Who do you think should win

[MajiKat]

this is all rather upsetting..but i think that by the end of the sending, there are going to be quite a few bodies lying about...

i'm not sure if Elf will be the one to do it, but i do, however much i love him, believe that Rushton will die. but then again, what will Obernewtyn be without him? with rushton gone, will ober be gone?

i think Domick will die, if he hasn't already. i don't know why i think this, but i do. i think he is too far gone to be healed, so he will die. perhaps he will be the instigator of his own death. not suicide, but will put himself into a position where death is unaviodable...

i think maruman will die, but not in the sense of actual death. he will go back to where ever he came from.

there will be other deaths too. but you know what? i don't think Ariel will die. he's lasted this long, served so many masters, that i think he has the audactiy to stay alive! he's a tough one.

but i hope Elf does not have to kill Rushton. i just don't feel that IC would do that...she couldn't, could she?

[Dameon]

Well, narrative expectation says Ariel will die. This is epic fantasy/sci-fi people, and he's the bad guy! That means death!

And the very way you all react to even the suggestion that Elspeth will have to kill Rushton is my point. That's why IC's going to do it. Because it's so emotionally involving.

And yes, I agree. Domick will die.

[MajiKat]

maybe IC will go against the grain and let Ariel live? Now that would be twisting the genre i just, for some reason, don't want him to die. and if he is to die, i want him to have quite a bit more story before he goes, a bit of explanation i guess.

yep, Dom is dead.

and, i believe it, because, as Kayt says it will be so emotional, Rushton will die.

but that still does not have to mean that Elf will fall into Dames' arms...

[Kaylan-R]

Domcik was doomed since Ashlings I think, he's just too dead in himself to live.
Though if Ariel lived, that would be pretty cool, though Elspeth would be dead most likely. So what Kat said is kind of liked if Elspeth lives then Ariel will die and visa versa.
There's just so many people who might allready be dead it's so hard to think about more deaths!

[Dameon]

Dude, Elspeth is not going to die while Ariel lives. That's like saying Harry Potter will die and Voldemort will live.

That's just not going to happen.

[Kaylan-R]

lol I know, i just ment that if Ariel died then Elspeth would live

and im not a dude.....