Explosions in London!!!

[Swallow]

Well... London has a lot of experience dealing with bombings, so i suppose they would be used to it by now. Sad fact really. But they have handled it surprisingly well, not just the emergency services, but the general public. The stories people have been telling of the drivers coming out, realising what had happened, then calmly walking people down to the next station. that would take a lot of effort. You'd expect most normal people to completely collapse...

[talisha]

True. It's so good to see that they were able to handle and cope with the situation. It would have been 10 times worse had they all panicked when the public were looking at them after being attacked and needed help.

It really is a sad day when they are used to bomb attacks and don't appear to be too phased by it (and by that I mean are able to rationally go about doing what they need to do, by no means do i imply that they dont care).
We really need to look at what direction the world is going in.
I wish Bush would just get off his bloody high horse and be less arrogant. He can't possible think he's doing anyone a favour in the way that he has been behaving?!

[Min]

Ugh...I was going to comment on what everyone's been discussing further but the thought of it is making me sick. Bush is such a moron, and I'm not surprised he said what he did say. Honestly, I'm not for killing and the like but the man should be shot. How DARE he?

[Dameon]

Dude, i was being bitterly sarcastic..... nevermind

Oh, sorry.

Too p!ssed off to notice.

[Miska]

im goin to make a belated comment. ive heard from lucy shes all good ...a few of her friends are hurt but nothin seriuos...yea she doenst live in london. shes way up north near northumbria if ive got my geography right prob not



edit: hmmm has anyone heard from peetree? i think he's england too tho i dont no where

[Roland]

*hugs* for all people in London and all UKers in general. *cries*

I don't care who you are, and how much you hate UK/US foreign policy, exploding people is not the right way to make a point! I hope whoever did this gets put in jail for a very long time and then burns in hell.
You're all in my prayers...

[Maeve]

I agree Turks, it's not a justifyable act in any way, but what Bush does to advance the situation makes it a hundred million times worse, and that is to turn it into some vendetta against islamic countries in the middle east.
as soon as someone gets it through his thick skull that it is a tiny fanatic religious sect which has completely reinterpreted what is infact a very peaceful religion, and not some high authority in the middle east then maybe they can start doing things properly instead of going out a bombing another country in the hope of killing a few among hundreds of innocents.
there's my rant.

i agree, Bush shouldn't have spoken, whenever he does he either angers everyone or embarrasses himelf with his own inarticulate stupidity.
but despite that when i saw some of the other people giving statements like Ken Livingstone who's the mayor of London and was in Singapore it was really emotional, i could see he was so genuine and he was almost crying.

[Timm]

[Elondriel]

Echoes every1's thoughts... hope our london friends r ok.

As for Bush, its just like here's another oportunity 4 him 2 try n unite the globe against our middle eastern sector of the world. 4 him, i bet things couldn't have been better.

As for back here in OZ, i don't kno bout u guy's but i 4 1 am sure glad that Johnny said that were totally safe here. WHATEVER. How naieve can that idiot be?

If it is true and this attack on London was the result of Al Quaeda, who's next? First New York. then leave it for a while till ppl get a bit relaxed and slightly complacent again, then they hit London.
Which other country has been highly media publicised along with America and England on the was on terror and Iraq?.... Australia. I fear that Sydney is next, being the most popular and populated Australian city.

Again, hugs for our london friends and prayers for your friends and family.

[Seagull Fred]

Hmmm, so many possible responses to this thread...

Bun>> How do you reason with people who don't believe in the right of other people to exist? It's beyond me and it's quite frankly terrifying. << Yep. But I decided long ago that these people are completely beyond our level of sane reasoning anyway. So it's pointless trying to think of how to reason with them. It's more a worry of how do we stop them affecting other people, and reproducing the same level of insanity time and time again. Obviously our preventative methods haven't worked so far...

Don't get me started on the Bush-Blair-Howard Chums. It's all been said already.

However, having said that, I give complete respect to Mr Blair for his first press statement on the telly last night - the one before the one when he was standing in front of Mr Bush - he was obviously distraught and making stuff up off the top of his head, and he did it brilliantly. So good on him. It came across muchos better than Mr Bush could've done.

And Talisha & everyone else commenting on the level of calmness etc> It's a silly kind of joke, but when my mum heard about everyone being so calm and not frantically panicking, she said, "Just like Brits." And it's true. It's not the time to start a stereotypical debate, but you don't think of a Brit running around like a mad chook with no head. You think of someone poshly standing around and thinking, "Righto, chaps, wot's to be done about it?" So bravo, wot, to the lot of you for your fabulous, cool-headed emergency procedures.

Both my siblings are going to meet in Central London in the next fortnight. Don't really want to think how close it has been. I'm just glad that all my contacts are okay and relatively unaffected.

*grugs all around*

FtS

EDIT: Just read Elonderiel's reply - and aye, I agree entirely. But then, maybe we just need to have faith in our security measures *shrugs* Anything's possible...

[Dark One]

A lot of Londeners were calm cos they were used to the IRA bombings int he 70s/80s. It also shows that we can't be shaken up by a few terrorists, despite what they think.

Londons transport is pretty much back to normal now, apart from the parts of the underground that were affected.

The latest update said 52 dead and 700 injured. I think the sky news report was wildly exagerating at the time.

One of my friends was in Liverpool street station before the blast, but is ok as he managed to leave before anything happened.

[talisha]

I'm glad he's ok.

I bought both papers today, The Age and The Herald Sun. They were both just expressing and describing the terrible scenes. But their figures stayed at 33 dead - which was just in the underground railway, because the rest hadn't been confirmed.
I hope no more than 52 have to die for this. It's riddiculous.
I was talking to a woman at my work today, and I asked her if she'd seen the coverage on the explosions. She replied that they should/if /when they do find the people responsible that they should be put in a straight line and shot.
I'm not sure I'd agree.
But this is the kind of place where I see the people who bomb things coming from. She didn't even give it a second thought, and didn't look like she had in the first place. I'm not sure if I agree with the Death Penalty, but it's no wonder that there are crazy people out there bombing innocents when we have people in our everyday lives that show blatant disregard for others lives.
I'm not saying that the people responsible don't deserve to be severely punished, but I don't know that we should simply kill them, and if that was the decisions, it would have to be thought about properly. It's a scary thought that there are many people who are so rash and just try to take the easy way out and kill them like the snap of a finger.

[Dark One]

I was discussing something similar with friends in the pub last night.

I don't necessarily blame the bombers themselves, but their leaders. The bombers are (or were) deeply impressionable youg men, who were brainwashed through thier extremist religion, and so they aren't, technicaly, to blame. It's their leaders who are at serious fault.

One interesting sidenote: All the bombers would've been clean shaven. When these people go to meet 'Alah', they have to be clean shaven. At any other time they have full face beards. An bystander noticed a clean shaven islamic on the bus, just before it went up.

[Kaylan-R]

I just hate Al Queda, I mean, they are destructive lunatics!!



ps - you can see a photo of my eye where I posted!

[Talmina]

but not all islamic men are bearded, especially when you consider the fact that they were probably living there at the time. and comments like that just make us look sideways and suspiciously at every cleanshaven person 'of middle eastern appearance' which just causes more people to turn to thier cause because they feel slighted and bitter about being subtly punished for someone elses actions and figure they might as well be doing it anyway.

remembering that these people see death as an entrance to paradise as a reward for their acts, the death penalty is definately not the way to go, a better solution would be to keep them healthy in prison for the rest of their days. not that i really agree with it anyway, but making martyrs of them isnt the way to go about it, that way they get everything they want, everyone knows what they did, why, and then they get to go to paradise and be with allah very quickly.

i also think that killing innocents isnt the way to go. the guy who tried to break into kirribilli house on thursday night had a much better idea, he was at least trying to eliminate part of the cause of the problem. the general populace of these countries arent to blame for the acts of our politicians, except for re-electing them.

[Kaylan-R]

The whole terrirost thing is so stipid, I had my say on flicker(with a touch of obcenities) and I think the whole thing is ridiculous!

[Talmina]

i agree with you kaylan, but if they HAVE to do it, dont go attacking the innocent people.

[eLsa___xX]

yeh, besides, it'd be more effective if they just ransom George Bush's mum....ransoming her will be more effective than trying to kill hundreds of other ppl (and no, i'm not suggesting that Bush's mum deserves to die)

[Kaylan-R]

talmina said:

i agree with you kaylan, but if they HAVE to do it, dont go attacking the innocent people.

But do they HAVe to do it? I mean, they could turn the islamic baddies in if they wanted to.
Me thinks they are scared of being murdered themselves or something.

[Talmina]

i dont think they have to do it either, but what i meant is that its not innocent peole making the decisions to go to war in iraq and stuff, and they shouldnt be getting punished for it. they only re-elected tony blair because its a proven fact that if a country is in a combat situation and there is an election the present leader, or thier party will almost certainly get re-elected. before that they had no idea what he was going to do.... and i would be very surprised if every voting brit who was killed or injured in that attack HAD voted for him anyway

[~Dani~]

I have just beeing at Mt. Hotham for about a week so I didn't even hear about the bombings until like yesterday. We had no TV at our lodge and one of the latest newspaper we had just said that London won the Olympics in 2012. I'm really shocked at the moment!!

[Swallow]

I hate cliche's but still
"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"

Violence is not the answer, hate is not the answer. History does repeat itself and we've been circling about those two for far too long.
But it won't change, no matter how much idealism one can have. Everybody who has ever stepped forward to make a difference has just had their ideas taken and moulded to fit another dictator's ideals. The Bible, the Koran, The Communist Manifesto, the works of Mills, the ideals of Plato, the beliefs of Moore, the hopes of Arendt, it means nothing in the end until people stop desiring power. It's a sad cycle. And it's not going to change.
Only problem is i'm too much of an idealist to just sit back and watch it.
It's this problem i have

[Dark One]

+++++++++++++Breaking news+++++++++++++++


There have been three reported instances of smoke at three tube stations, and another instance of an incident on a bus in London today. Here's the excerpt from BBC News:

'Incidents' spark Tube evacuation

Emergency services have been called to three Tube stations after "incidents", Scotland Yard said.
Police confirmed they had been called to Warren Street, Oval and Shepherd's Bush stations.

There have been reports of smoke coming from two of the stations and all three have been evacuated.

The whole of the Northern Line has been suspended, along with the Victoria Line and the Hammersmith and City. There are no reports of any casualties.

Police also confirmed that emergency service personnel have responded to reports of an incident on a route 26 bus in Hackney Road.

A spokesman for London Underground said the nature of the incidents was unknown.

One hospital, near Warren St station, has started its emergency plan.

Sosiane Mohellavi, 35, was travelling from Oxford Circus to Walthamstow when she was evacuated from a train at Warren Street.

"I was in the carriage and we smelt smoke - it was like something was burning.

"Everyone was panicked and people were screaming. We had to pull the alarm. I am still shaking."

But a BBC reporter outside Warren St station said there was no sign of smoke outside.

No more news as yet...

[Roland]

*hugs* It never ends does it? Do us a favour gang, STAY OFF THE TUBE!

but why did they have to interrupt Stargate? LOL

[Dark One]

most of the tube lines are fine. I for one shan't be deterred from using them.