dames vs rushton

[Min]

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to really dislike Rushton.

Huzzuh Gypsywanderer!!! You've made my day.

It's not so much 'who gets Elf'...I'm sure they should be above all that...what it comes down to is loyalty and friendships...and classically speaking, Rushton has been a terrible friend to Dameon. He's even not a real friend of Elspeth's (they were like, afraid of each other).

I hope that NO ONE ends up alone at the end...even if Rushton and Elf stay together, I just really hope Dameon's not all alone at the end.

[Lauren]

Dameon'll get with....Miky. [/Laurenswonderfulpredictions]

Seriously, what do you think Elspeth will do when she finds out Dameon's in love with her, and has always been? Will she estrange herself from him, or would she possibly leave Rushton to 'sort herself out'? The more I think about it, the more I see Elspeth as single by the end of the Sending. Finding out your confidant is in love with you...well, it's gotta have an impact. And the fact that Rushton knows about it, and still went after Elf *shakes head* isn't there some cardinal rule with 'mates' there that's being violated? lol.

I know the feeling of finding out your confidant likes you...its not a very nice one. You do need time to think...so I agree with you Min, that she'll leave Rushton for a while and think. But in the end, of course she'll choose Rushton!! I mean, who wouldnt??!!

[Min]

*puts hand up*
YUK! I wouldn't want a whiney dramatist with solidarity/inferiority issues around me!! It's sensible, kind and emotionally stable all the way for me

But then, I'm not Elspeth

[Domick]

*Also raises hand*
I couldn't stand him! I'd have slapped him withing ten minutes of being introduced. He's so self-centred. For instance, the girl he supposedly loves is dying, and where is he? Not sitting by her bedside like the guy she REALLY loves, but sulking in the desert becuase everything didn't go his way.

I also couldn't put up with the brooding. If he wants to say something WHY WON'T HE JUST SAY IT? But no, instead we sulk and make everyone else miserable while they try to figure out whats wrong with him.

[Min]

*applauds Gypsy heartily* Here here!!

[~Ethereal~]

Just becasue she loves Rushton, doesn't necessarily make him the right one.....The Rushton's of the world can ne intensely hard to maintain a relationship with.

This change of heart comes from teh fact that I jsut came out of my 4 yr relationship with a a guy who is just like Rushton. Brooding, strength, protectiveness, inferiority complex and all.

maybe Dameon really is the way to go....

But ask me in a few months and I'll probably be a a Rushton girl again...

[Dameon]

*raises hand*

All: Oh God... here we go...

Rushton is the most IRRITATING, self centred, possessive, arrogant, nasty, jealous, icky bloody CREEP!!!

He didn't care about hurting Dameon, he didn't care enough to really fight for Elf. He just walked about brooding until she got swoony over him and THEN he told her loved her.

Dameon is the victim here. He's the good guy. He's the REAL man. He may not be all broody and stuff, but he's got really important qualities, like kindness and loyalty and selflessness that Rushton can never hope to get.

So there.

*runs away before Rushton can make her shovel the snow*

[Madame Kat]

ksl said:

Rushton is the most IRRITATING, self centred, possessive, arrogant, nasty, jealous, icky bloody CREEP!!!

'nuff said.

[Domick]

It was a very nice summing up of Rushton. Extremely accurate Kayt!

[Deleted]

Oh please! First of all, if I'm correct, Rushton initiated the whole thing by actually expressing his feelings first during the ravek scene. He wasn't the one who sat back smirking, waiting for Elspeth to say "I love you" or swoon. In fact, she had no intention whatsoever of telling him anything until he revealed his feelings and she realised how extremely distant she'd been with him.

Secondly, Dameon came from a relatively stable background, being the son of a councilman. Now I'm not saying that being labeled a misfit had no traumatic impact on him, or that it didn't ostracize him from his world, but Rushton grew up with practically no one, he pretty much learned from an early age to fend for himself, and take his life into his own hands in trying to obtain Obernewtyn. I think that kind of early independence and lack of general personal interaction means that many of his efforts are quite, well, sub par shall we say? But it's not like he doesn't' try. It's not like his actions arise from a conscious decision to be a jerk.

Also, GypsyWanderer's point about how he dealt with Elspeth's casualty in Sador: not everyone deals with pain the same way. A reasonable explanation could be that being the leader of the troupe, he felt a huge responsibility for putting Elspeth in that physical state and he was trying to escape the guilt. Dameon wouldn't have had any of that pressure on him at all. I can completely understand if someone who feels responsible for having put someone they love in a dangerous situation tried to immerse themselves elsewhere in an attempt to repress their pain. It's not particularly healthy, but it's understandable and I don't think it's something worthy of condemnation.

I'm not even all that vehement a Rushton supporter and I do love Dames, I just don't like this constant stream of Rushton bashing. The man has some flaws, doesn't mean he's completely irredeemable and it doesn't mean he's not the guy for Elspeth. If I'm correct, Elspeth isn't exactly the model partner either, so if we're going to rag on Rushton for being an inappropriate romantic interest, I think we should rule out Elf for Dames as well. I mean considering her distance, coldness, mixed signals, 'selfishness' (in terms of relationships anyway), how can you say she's the perfect match for the your paragon of virtue?

[Lauren]

Here here, Galli! That was perfect. Well done. Go Rushton!!

[Kaylan-R]

Why cant she just marry them both off???

[Maryon]

Thats a great explanation Galligaskins!!

But I'm another Rushie supporter so GO RUSHIE!!!!!!

And why does Rushton qualify for bashing but Dameon doesn't? I mean, Rushton may have some flaws, but he isn't so amazingly "perfect" and as a character he's got a lot more depth and has developed since the start of the series. Dames is just so boring.

[maverick]

*hugs auro and dances around*
i'm not alone! i'm not alone!
*hugs imaginary rushie*

[Maryon]

YAAAY!!!! ANOTHER RUSHIE SUPPORTER!!!!!

*Starts dancing crazily around the Dining Hall in what appears to be a one person conga*

[Lauren Hedgehog]

Dameon

[Schis]

Seriously, I think that 140 pages of Dameon v Rushton is unneccessary (much like Oliver Wood in HP movie stars game)- who really cares which one she ends up with. I personally dont care, it seems to me as if the female mind works in weird ways...Lets just wait for IC to write it and stop predicting the outcome of Elspeths love triangle- (i didnt really get any love feelings between Elf/Dameon- it was more a good friends thing whereas Rushton/Elf seemed more 'lovey-dovey'). Its similar to the Harry/Hermione/ Ron triangle, but if anything I thought the triangle for OC would be MAtt/Elf/Rushton.

[Kaylan-R]

U dont care? How can u not care?
Think like a girl shis, U would care!

[Schis]

Genetics renders me useless in such an endevour

[Domick]

In that case, you'll just have to sit and watch in bemusement

[glow=red,2,300] DAMEON![/glow]

[Maryon]

schis, you have a lot to learn Just watch and you'll understand better then you ever have

[Dameon]

It matters to us, because we are emotionally invested in Elspeth and we want to see her do things right, as well as living vicariously through her a little.

We want to see her pick the right man, because we care.

And RUSHTON IS THE WRONG MAN! So to him!

[Kaylan-R]

exactly! Right on Kayt.
You can't just let someone fall in love with the wrong man.....its just like creepy soaps!

[Schis]

I dont want to scour throught 140 pages of arguement so could someone basically fill me in on the arguement for either side and then I can make a valid judgement on the situation.

P.S.- I am still confused as to how people concluded the likelehood of dameon and elspeth getting together, they just seem like really good friends. Even if Dameon was into Elspeth I could never see him doing anything about it anyway, he wouldnt want to hurt Rushton (are they friends) and possibly Elf. Alternativeley, I could see Matt/Elspeth (although long distance relationships never work) and Rushton/Elspeth being together.

[Deleted]

Well the majority of the arguments on those pages go like this:

Dames supporter: Rushton's a poopiehead
Rushton supporter: IS NOT
D.S: DAMEON!
R.S: RUSHTON RUSHTON RUSHTON!

etcetc ;D

But there are actual arguments in there Schis, most people have perfectly sound reasons for their opinions, it's just that after months of the debate, there's really very little people can say anymore. In any case, I haven't been in this discussiong from the start, so I'll leave it to someone more enthusiastic about the whole thing to give you coherent run-down,